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Roper Klacks
dendrite



What the hell happened in chapter 8?! I mean, looks like i've been teleported to another game! Looks a lot like Shivers actually.

I'm completely lost, seems like i'm gonna be needing help for the first time, it all looks so big and confusing and daunting!

But i'm not asking for help yet, i'll need to explore first. I just had to express my utter surprise... they can't end chapter 7 with that heart breaking cliffhanger and then dump me in this Shivers nightmare!:tongue:

Will this puzzle make sense in the overall story? Feels like its breaking the flow and pace of the (brilliant) story :hmm:

Total Posts: 15 | Joined Nov. 2010 | Posted on: 3:30 am on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
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I know what you mean about the pace. The puzzle goes somewhere, but I agree that it takes too long, especially after the cliffhanger.

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 5:34 am on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
Simo Sakari Aaltonen
midbrain



For me, the excellent atmosphere in that chapter overrode all other concerns. It had me genuinely creeped out. I was dying to get back to Oxford and David one way or another, but since I was sharing Sam's own frustration, I feel it worked for the immersion.

Oh, and Roper, it is ultimately not as daunting as it may first appear. It is definitely solvable without a walkthrough. Good luck!

(Edited by Simo Sakari Aaltonen at 3:14 pm on Nov. 13, 2010)

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 11:40 am on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
AndreaDraco83
midbrain



I agree with Simo.

The atmopshere was so great I simply couldn't stop playing and my frustration echoed Sam's. As for the difficulty, it is indeed a very challenging segment. But it is indeed solvable without a walkthrough: keep a lot of notes e try to think outside the box... and if you need help, we'll be glad to offer you some!:biggrin:

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Total Posts: 263 | Joined July 2008 | Posted on: 11:59 am on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
Roper Klacks
dendrite



Yey! I made it!

It was surprisingly easy, they had hidden clues all over the place. I kinda liked that sequence, it was so surreal (the music reminded me of Gabriel knight), its Gray Matter's Xen (for those that know Half-Life).

Please tell me there's a lot more game after that, i can feel its about to end :sad:

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AndreaDraco83
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Sorry, Roper... Not a lot of game to play next...

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Total Posts: 263 | Joined July 2008 | Posted on: 3:05 pm on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
Roper Klacks
dendrite



LOL yeah it ended right after that.

MY GOD! what an amazing story, almost on par with Gabriel Knight stories. It ended a bit like i was expecting, but it was so good, the ending was so melancholic ans bittersweet.

There has to be a Gray Matter 2, i need more Sam and David! I'll try to convince my friends to buy it. I managed to convince a duzen of them to buy Amnesia a few months ago, and most of them loved it. I hope i can do the same with GM. It's just a pitty about the limited availability, it's a lot harder to convince them to import a game from germany, but i'll see what i can do.

Anyway, great, great, amazing story and a very decent game overall.

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Congrats on finishing. :smile: I felt the same on the first play, great storyline.

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So when did you figure out how the ending would be and whodunnit? What were your favorite and least favorite parts? What were the hardest parts? (And so on...)

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 4:18 pm on Nov. 13, 2010 | Link to this post
Roper Klacks
dendrite



I love detective stories and i'm usually pretty good at discovering who is guilty. Gray Matter obviously had a lot of red herrings, but my suspicions were always on Angela or Charles. Don't know why, i think it was because of their backgrounds (the dad and the fire with Angela and the mother and secrecy with Charles). After the hipnotization session with David i putted all my money on Angela obviously, i was only reluctant because it seemed too obvious.

But that was pretty late on the game, before that, and before Sam's investigations on the "lambs" i was quite lost. But i did get the "Imposter" thing before the revelation.

But although i was expecting to be Angela, i didn't notice the importance of her father's picture, that was clever and so obvious now:biggrin:

My favourite parts... i did like all of David's chapters, his memories reconstructions were cool. I also liked when Sam had to sneak on the "lambs" rooms, reminded me of Gabriel Knight 3. But overall my favourite chapter was the 7th, i was almost shouting to David "No! Don't believe them, Sam's innocent!":biggrin:

I also liked the Deadilus enigmas, they were pretty clever and never unfair to the player. I didn't like the first two chapters that much. They were very slow, but i guess it was necessary for the buil up.

The hardest parts... the game was not that difficult really. I got stuck in the David's RNG thingy machine, but that was becuase i'm stupid :d I was trying to spread the remaining 1% from all the 26 letters, i lost a bit of time there and didn't realise that simbol was a %

I also got stuck at the end of Chapter 7 when i had to compare Angela brain's activity, but i got there by clicking in EVERYTHING possible in his lab:biggrin:

David is a great character with an absolutely fantastic voice acting. It's a shame Sam's voice actress was not that good, she didn't leave the same impact on me as David did, but she was a well written and developed character.

I will not talk about the technical aspects because IMO is were the game fails a bit. But overall it was a great experience.

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I love detective stories and i'm usually pretty good at discovering who is guilty. Gray Matter obviously had a lot of red herrings, but my suspicions were always on Angela or Charles. Don't know why, i think it was because of their backgrounds (the dad and the fire with Angela and the mother and secrecy with Charles). After the hipnotization session with David i putted all my money on Angela obviously, i was only reluctant because it seemed too obvious.

But that was pretty late on the game, before that, and before Sam's investigations on the "lambs" i was quite lost. But i did get the "Imposter" thing before the revelation.

But although i was expecting to be Angela, i didn't notice the importance of her father's picture, that was clever and so obvious now:biggrin:


I think Angela and Charles were suspicious just by being the most apparently helpless and quiet ones. That's kind of a rule of detective fiction.:tongue:

(I got Angela and "imposter" at the same time, as they proved each other. Then I kept hoping there would be another twist.. :smile: Didn't notice the picture symbolism either; that is a twist actually.)

But overall my favourite chapter was the 7th, i was almost shouting to David "No! Don't believe them, Sam's innocent!":biggrin:


Didn't it seem odd to you that David would simply ignore Angela's brain scans to go and blame everything on Sam? I mean, that was all his narrow focus was about, to prove cognitive abnormalities, and he saw that and was kind of "Meh" about it instead of, well, immediately calling Angela in for new experiments.

I got stuck in the David's RNG thingy machine, but that was becuase i'm stupid :d I was trying to spread the remaining 1% from all the 26 letters, i lost a bit of time there and didn't realise that simbol was a %

I tried that too!! :lol: I kept trying to represent fractions on that thing.

So what's your interpretation of the past events around the accident and the present events around the house?

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Roper Klacks
dendrite




Didn't it seem odd to you that David would simply ignore Angela's brain scans to go and blame everything on Sam? I mean, that was all his narrow focus was about, to prove cognitive abnormalities, and he saw that and was kind of "Meh" about it instead of, well, immediately calling Angela in for new experiments.


Yeah i guess, but i think David was a bit hurt because Sam lied to everybody and specially to him. He acted on impulse fueled by emotion. And i liked that, i enjoyed seeing him out of control cause he obviously deep down cared for Sam. And it was entertaining to see them clash:biggrin:

Anyway, i have a few doubts, i think i didn't get the relevance of Angela's fairies, why was she so fixated on them?

What was that menacing dark thing in David and Laura's picture? Some kind of Angela manifestation?

Was Angela involuntarily responsible for the firethat killed her father?

(Edited by Roper Klacks at 3:07 am on Nov. 14, 2010)

(Edited by Roper Klacks at 3:09 am on Nov. 14, 2010)

(Edited by Roper Klacks at 3:10 am on Nov. 14, 2010)

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Yeah i guess, but i think David was a bit hurt because Sam lied to everybody and specially to him. He acted on impulse fueled by emotion. And i liked that, i enjoyed seeing him out of control cause he obviously deep down cared for Sam. And it was entertaining to see them clash:biggrin:

It was entertaining indeed, just seems to me out of character for David intelligence-wise, not emotion-wise.

Anyway, i have a few doubts, i think i didn't get the relevance of Angela's fairies, why was she so fixated on them?

I think it's because she had this special power and she was comforting herself by considering herself a fairy (instead of a monster).

What was that menacing dark thing in David and Laura's picture? Some kind of Angela manifestation?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it was an Angela manifestation that clung to David from earlier, when she was in his office and very angry at him. It hung over him until the accident.

Was Angela involuntarily responsible for the firethat killed her father?

That's just speculation, but why not?

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 3:25 am on Nov. 14, 2010 | Link to this post
Roper Klacks
dendrite



I think it's because she had this special power and she was comforting herself by considering herself a fairy (instead of a monster).

Makes sense. However she did connect fairies with angels (the one in the church) and with her father (at the end she saw a vision of him and she called him a fairy). Perhaps she had regular visions of him, or perhaps he was "hauting" her or trying to communicate with her, like Laura with David. David's friend (the psycologist) said some people remained in our reality in spirit after their death because of unresolved problems or something like that. Perhaps her father was one of those cases?

(Edited by Roper Klacks at 3:49 am on Nov. 14, 2010)

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Wow, that's very interesting and plausible, in the context of the game. It would add a new layer. :smile: So cool. Then before the end Angela might have thought she was seeing her father in Sam's angel projection too.

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 4:53 am on Nov. 14, 2010 | Link to this post
Roper Klacks
dendrite



I replayed the ending and Angela doesn't call her father's vision as fairy, my bad. So my last theory is wrong then.

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Well, that doesn't mean he wouldn't be haunting her anyway.:tongue: I like that theory.

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 4:35 pm on Nov. 15, 2010 | Link to this post
Jules
pear in disguise in the bottom of a strawberry's stomach



Congrats on finishing, Roper!

We've asked Jane a lot of those same questions about the car crash and the dark entity in the photo and she pretty much wanted to leave the answers somewhat undefined and allow those intricate theories up to the player's imagination. But pretty much what you've and we have all assumed is the main gist of it. :smile:

And I absolutely LOVED chapter 8! The music, the visions, the sound effects! So tantalizing in almost every sense! It actually created a small twinge of panic and fear in me.

My least favorite chapter was 4 only because there was SO much walking around, talking to this person, doing that, going back and talking to the same person again about something else, blah blah blah. It was too long and boring for me.

(Edited by Jules at 2:59 am on Nov. 16, 2010)

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Simo Sakari Aaltonen
midbrain



Quote: from Jules on 2:56 am on Nov. 16, 2010
And I absolutely LOVED chapter 8! The music, the visions, the sound effects! So tantalizing in almost every sense! It actually created a small twinge of panic and fear in me.

Same here! Especially when I saw a certain room that reminded me a lot about Dr John's room in the hounfour in GK1... I started wondering if this was not a safe place to be at all and if Sam was in for a nasty surprise concerning the true nature of the Daedalus Club.

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 12:54 pm on Nov. 16, 2010 | Link to this post
jmmontoro
dendrite


I'm mostly dissapointed with the difficulty of the game. It seems like the game was designed with a hint system but with no option to disable it (not the hotspots). And like I read somewhere here the characters thought too much by them selves. Solving things form me I didn't even noticed.

Impostor was my first hunch but of course I couldn't confirm it until I saw it.

Angela was way to easy, CH8 progress, "I'm Laura Styles", right after you see the results from the scans? Maybe it was intended to tell you who was going to play part in the ending plot but not the plot it self.

I also didn't like the Bonus on the chapters. Theres no point on collecting them if you have no idea what they are and you could miss them completely if you follow the game. There should have been a overall progress, bonuswise and globalwise.
Now that I think of it, the bonuses should have been Daedalus games, unrelated to the story, optional, and completing them unlocks art or videos (missed the videoroom from the GKs)

The most difficult part? Lewis Carroll, never read Alice in Wonderland. Not popular at all in my country.
To be honest, there was a chapter which required to read the diary from the private lab, I searched the hole game around for that missing point to advance to the next chapter ignoring an item that was ignored by the character previously.

The best? The art. Beautiful designs. Great 2d 3d combination. The 3d was buggy at certain points, but ignorable.
The videos shouldn't have been made with that technique, maybe only the flashback ones.

The bride of Frankenstein? Sequel alert?

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