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They've covered up Sam's cleavage for the US release. Someone on the amazon forum noticed it - http://www.amazon.com/Viva-Media-V00814-Gray-Matter/dp/B004JMXTNU

Here's the US-censored cleavage, compared to the European version.

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Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 5:05 pm on Feb. 16, 2011 | Link to this post
Simo Sakari Aaltonen
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Sheesh.

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 6:22 am on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
AndreaDraco83
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I can't believe it!

Sure, we all said something, back then, about Sam's depiction on this cover - too sexualized, to different from the in-game model, too stereotyped - but censoring her cleavage is just... well, idiotic. And pointless.

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Total Posts: 263 | Joined July 2008 | Posted on: 10:54 am on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
Vortex Breen
Mostly different



Ha ha, that's hilarious :laugh:

What's the point though?!? It's not obscene by any stretch.

Total Posts: 89 | Joined July 2009 | Posted on: 11:25 am on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
Simo Sakari Aaltonen
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Interestingly, I found my reaction to this changing quickly. I am usually against all censorship, but looking at the two pictures again, I have to say the new version now works slightly better for me. My eye is better drawn to Sam's face with that one.

Examining my own reactions, I realise my automatic objection regarding the change hinges on the fact that the first version was actually published. What I mean by this is that if these two versions of the picture had been presented for comments prior to either being published, I would probably have expressed a preference for the new version.

Nothing against cleavage, but the original does still seem exaggerated to me, even though I got used to it. Anyway, I like the picture a lot and the main thing for me is that Sam's mischievous expression remains and is perhaps even better highlighted in the new one. So while I agree in principle that the change was not terribly necessary, I do see a measure of artistic validity to it.

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 11:34 am on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
Krss
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I'm pretty sure they didn't censor it to improve its artistry.:tongue:

I don't remember how Sam's model looked in-game. She shows some cleavage, right? Does the 3d model have to be censored too? What about Helena's - dress and room, even? Now this is something I hadn't considered, the US version of the game might be quite different from the EU version with everything 'naughty' crossed out.

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 5:04 pm on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
Simo Sakari Aaltonen
midbrain



I think you are overreacting a little.:tongue:

We would probably not be debating this if the changed element was a conspicuous and not very well-drawn foot, for example. Certainly we would not call that censorship. But cleavage gets special treatment. :smile:

I also think it pretty unlikely that if the new version had been the original and vice versa - that is, if the later release added the cleavage - that we would be cheering for the change.

Sam does show cleavage in the game, and that should definitely not be touched - er, altered - I mean... My point is that it looks much better there. In the original version of this cover the cup rather runneth over... Reminds me of heaving-bosoms pirate literature.:tongue:

I doubt anything is going to be changed in the game itself. Now that, I agree, would be ridiculous and even offensive. But like I said, I think it is highly unlikely.

I will shut up now...

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 9:50 pm on Feb. 17, 2011 | Link to this post
Krss
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Cleavage did get special treatment - it got removed.:tongue: The generic US public freaked out over a nipple slip at the SuperBowl.

As for which one looks better, I don't have an opinion.

Total Posts: 2307 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 1:00 am on Feb. 18, 2011 | Link to this post
DeadPoolX
Fear the puffin!



I realize I'm VERY late in responding to this thread, but I wanted to post. :smile:

I didn't even know the US release was censored until this thread.  I grabbed the box and took a look and sure enough, it's censored!

I actually do think that Sam's breasts were a bit too prominent (like Simo, I think her cleavage overshadowed her face), but completely covering them up is dumb.  I would've gone for a slightly higher shirt than the EU version, but one that's definitely lower cut than the US copy.

I'm not really surprised it was censored, though.  As far as I know, GM was originally some sort of "exclusive" in Walmart.  Walmart's image is that of a "family store" (despite the fact they sell R-rated and unrated DVD movies, none of which young kids should probably see) and they want to appeal to that audience.

As for the Superbowl... well, the reason people went nuts wasn't just because of the "wardrobe malfunction" itself.  The Superbowl is marketed and presented as a "family event" and shown on TV during prime time hours (when children will most likely be watching TV), not later at night after the kids have gone to bed.  

Total Posts: 4 | Joined Mar. 2009 | Posted on: 11:43 pm on Aug. 23, 2011 | Link to this post
Simo Sakari Aaltonen
midbrain



A trip down the gaming industry memory lane...

Once upon a time - in the 80s to be exact - there was a poor but totally mainstream (commercially speaking) 8-bit game called Game Over. It was advertised with a Luis Royo painting featuring nipples very prominently. The picture ran as a full-page ad in many British game magazines. While some of them only had a (very obviously) censored version, several of them did publish it uncensored. Your Sinclair even printed the uncensored picture as a double-page poster.

Bear in mind that the target audience of all these magazines was kids - more specifically teenaged boys. And there was no rating system for magazines; anyone could buy them. What is more, Your Sinclair and some other British magazines were, at various times, absolutely full of sexual innuendo, S/M references, etc. Not kidding or exaggerating - this description could be verified by anyone browsing through back issues. Also, one or two issues after the Game Over poster, Your Sinclair ran a competition without an age limit, giving away copies of the X-rated splatter film Death Wish 3.

The more things change...

P.S. I mean the above simply as anecdotal: a description of how things were, which makes quite a contrast to how things are at the present time. Generally speaking, I am against censorship. But the problem with the Game Over ad was that it was ridiculous in the context of advertising a simplistic shoot-em-'up. There were no nipples slipping out in the game - unlike in the ad. (Literally, that is what happens in the ad.)

(Edited by Simo Sakari Aaltonen at 4:28 pm on Aug. 24, 2011)

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Total Posts: 359 | Joined Sep. 2008 | Posted on: 4:20 pm on Aug. 24, 2011 | Link to this post
Sidrath
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Hahaha great stuff.

Now just a funny story, as with every female character in a game nowadays, Sam's breasts indeed  caused a few back and forth.

Jane didn't want her to be oversexualized obviously, Fred Augis (co-art director and main character designer) still wanted to make her sexy despite her strong character to have a nice contrast, and in the end they agreed on Sam here:

http://cort-x.fwheel.net/images/gm_concept55.jpg

So I'd say the american cover is somewhat truer to Jane and Fred's vision :smile:

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